13 June 2012

car safari

thunderbird 2 is still going okay

but a 3-door is just rubbish - no good for passengers in the back, or dogs for that matter, or large-ish bags and packages

so, some time, we'll be getting a different car
i've been thinking about a subaru outback for some time, but they're getting so bloated and big and wide that i'm turned off them.





"What car should I buy" Drive reviews

Summer wagon ...  [they are] looking for something economical, safe, classy and practical enough to fit a surfboard in the back but do not want a 4WD, so have set their sights on a used wagon of some kind...[contenders are] a 2006 Mazda 6 wagon, 2005 Subaru Liberty wagon and 2005 Volvo V50 but ... which is best or [are they] ...better served by something else. 
The budget  Up to $27,000 
Used Euro wagon - 
Alfa Romeo 156 vs. Audi A4 vs. Citroen C5 vs. Peugeot 307 vs. Saab 9-5 vs. VW Passat but
Soft-roader
Roomy work wagon (2007)
Subaru Outback 2.5i, from $36,990 vs Mazda 6 wagon, from $35,205 

whirlpool discussion (April 2010) - subaru liberty/outback v mazda6 - wagons 







Subaru Liberty Wagon v Outback

What do you get?
They're essentially the same vehicle, with similar trim levels, but the entry-level 2.5i Liberty starts at $35,490 (plus onroad and dealer costs) while the 2.5i Outback is priced from $38,990 (plus costs).
Both offer AWD but the Outback's beefed-up suspension makes it sit noticeably higher than the Liberty. Bulkier, hard exterior plastics and body cladding give the Outback a more rugged look.
The same seven airbags and stability control are offered on both.
What's inside?
Both vehicles offer identical load space and leg/headroom, with a roomy rear seat that offers plenty of space for youngsters and perhaps even the occasional smaller adult. Cargo space is a handy 490 litres with the seats up — folded down, that jumps to a double mattress-friendly 1690 litres.
Under the bonnet
Both come with the same 2.5-litre four-cylinder engine but the Liberty misses out on Subaru's new 2.0-litre manual-only diesel engine (priced from $40,490 in the Outback).
The Liberty's range-topping GT Premium model borrows its 2.5-litre turbocharged 195kW engine from the WRX. The top-end Outback offering is the six-cylinder 3.6R Premium model.
On the road
Because the Outback sits eight centimetres higher, it tends to feel less stable than the Liberty when pushed hard and exhibits more body roll around tight bends. The Outback's ability to handle serious terrain is commendable and, despite being heavier than the Liberty, it shares the same thirst. Both can tow up to 1800 kilograms (braked).
The Liberty offers a more willing (and able) drive on sealed sections, with AWD traction giving it that "glued to road" feeling, even in the wet. The Liberty is probably the more convincing car to drive but if you're someone who enjoys a dirty weekend away, the Outback will offer more
from here

Modern Wagon: Subaru Outback

2009 Subaru Outback
Raising the body of an already good wagon by a few inches for added ground clearance and adding some cladding and meatier tires for a rugged look was a stroke of genius, and Subaru's best move ever. More than a dozen years on, the Outback stands alone as the elegant, practical, comfortable, solidly built and reliable forebear of crossovers. The base model is powered by Subaru's ubiquitous 2.5-liter 170-horsepower boxer 4-cylinder engine with the added attraction of a PZEV (Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle) rating, second only to ZEV (pure electrics) as the most environmentally friendly. A 5-speed manual gearbox is standard, and a 4-speed auto box is optional. And if you need or want more oomph or muscle, check out the 2.5 XT Limited's 243-horsepower turbocharged engine.


Mazda6 Wagon v CX-7

What do you get?
The most basic CX-7 is the Classic model (starting from $33,990 plus costs). The front-wheel-drive-only model is the highest seller, claiming 41 per cent of CX-7 sales. It's cheaper than the more family-focused Mazda6 wagon (starting at $35,050). AWD CX-7s start from $38,990.
All Mazda6 and CX-7 models come with six airbags and stability control. CX-7s also get a reversing camera but miss out on Bluetooth in the base models (it's standard for all Mazda6 wagons).
What's inside?
The 6 wagon is longer than the CX-7. Boot space drops from 519 litres in the Mazda6 to just 400 litres in the soft-roader and with the rear seats down, the 6 still has the advantage.
The CX-7 may look the bigger vehicle but feels considerably smaller inside and that swooping roofline impedes rear headroom. Legroom is also tight.
The 6 wagon is roomy in the front and rear but storage falls a bit short in the back. Comfort, though, is excellent.
Under the bonnet
Entry-level models of both share the 2.5-litre four-cylinder but due to the soft-roader's bigger, heavier body, it tends to drink slightly more across all models.
Both offer a diesel engine version but the CX-7's weight offsets the fuel savings of the oil-burner compared with the 6 wagon (7.6L/100km against 5.9L/100km).
There are two turbocharged CX-7 petrol models and both have received red marks for thirst but big ticks for fun.
On the road
Both are above par on the road when stacked up against their competitors, though both do suffer from road noise. The CX-7 feels sporty enough to handle curves and climbs without hassle, though its weight can hinder progress. The 6 drives much the same but with enough vigour to please the more enthusiastic driver.
The CX-7 is (and looks) more adventure friendly . But the roomy 6 wagon, even if a bit conservative in its appearance, does hold it over its soft-roader sibling when it comes to utility value.


Mazda 6 Classic wagon Toby Hagon, drive.com.au, April 29, 2008
Mazda 6 Touring wagon
a white car would be okay, but only if painted like a zebra

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